Comments on: Freeloaders to Help Create an Orwellian Internet? http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/ Keeping Tech Sexy Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:05:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Drama 2.0 http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-8565 Drama 2.0 Fri, 02 May 2008 16:46:45 +0000 http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/#comment-8565 David: I stated: <blockquote> While I’d hate to see Orwellian ISP filtering systems put in place, here’s the reality of the situation: the idiots who support piracy while spouting meaningless phrases like “content just wants to be free” are giving certain interests all the justification they need to implement Orwellian measures. </blockquote> The point of my post is quite simple: citizens will have themselves to blame if rampant copyright infringement leads to these types of measures. While I support the embedding of unique identifiers in music, I never stated that I support the ability for the government to access your private data without cause. But I'm practical above all else and there's a good chance overzealous legislation like the Pro-IP Act will be enacted because consumers are too stupid to realize that their actions give certain special interests the ability to exploit the cries from IP-oriented businesses. Citizens <em>will</em> acquiesce to these measures because they have no choice. V for Vendetta is a comic book series, not our reality. David: I stated:

While I’d hate to see Orwellian ISP filtering systems put in place, here’s the reality of the situation: the idiots who support piracy while spouting meaningless phrases like “content just wants to be free” are giving certain interests all the justification they need to implement Orwellian measures.

The point of my post is quite simple: citizens will have themselves to blame if rampant copyright infringement leads to these types of measures.

While I support the embedding of unique identifiers in music, I never stated that I support the ability for the government to access your private data without cause.

But I’m practical above all else and there’s a good chance overzealous legislation like the Pro-IP Act will be enacted because consumers are too stupid to realize that their actions give certain special interests the ability to exploit the cries from IP-oriented businesses.

Citizens will acquiesce to these measures because they have no choice. V for Vendetta is a comic book series, not our reality.

]]> By: David Llewelyn-Jones http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-8535 David Llewelyn-Jones Fri, 02 May 2008 11:21:07 +0000 http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/#comment-8535 part of your argument is spurious; why should i worry who has access to my personal data if i'm not doing anything wrong? apart from the moral implications of this, there are clearly opportunities for abuse / gross negligence. This has been clearly demonstrated several times in the UK of late where the Government has lost thousands of people's data, and don't know where it is. Presumably in the hands of the highest bidder now. Just because one is innocent does not mean one has to acquiesce to the draconian system you write about. part of your argument is spurious; why should i worry who has access to my personal data if i’m not doing anything wrong? apart from the moral implications of this, there are clearly opportunities for abuse / gross negligence. This has been clearly demonstrated several times in the UK of late where the Government has lost thousands of people’s data, and don’t know where it is. Presumably in the hands of the highest bidder now.
Just because one is innocent does not mean one has to acquiesce to the draconian system you write about.

]]> By: Stanley Miller http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2081 Stanley Miller Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:04:19 +0000 http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/#comment-2081 Sir, This a good step forward. This will enable the industry to better understand the flow of their product through the peer networks and perhaps reveal ways they can better reward those that distribute their content. I always imagined that what Mr. Fanning was trying to do all along was make everyone a record store. By having a unique id tied to each instance of a song once could build a incentive program that would credit the original distributor. Sir, This a good step forward. This will enable the industry to better understand the flow of their product through the peer networks and perhaps reveal ways they can better reward those that distribute their content. I always imagined that what Mr. Fanning was trying to do all along was make everyone a record store. By having a unique id tied to each instance of a song once could build a incentive program that would credit the original distributor.

]]> By: Mr. Crash http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2054 Mr. Crash Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:05:55 +0000 http://www.drama20show.com/2008/01/15/freeloaders-to-help-create-an-orwellian-internet/#comment-2054 As quickly as it's established just what the audio watermark entails, someone will find a filter or method for removing said mark. I mean - if it's not actually detrimental to the quality of the audio, removing it won't destroy the audio anyway. On a completely different level, I wonder how they'd implement ISP level filtering. Unless there was some standardised mark, surely the ISP would protest about the effort involved? It's hard enough for the ISP to deal with p2p traffic, particularly on some types of networks which use a neat combination of TCP and UDP packets to make it difficult to tell what the application is doing without some effort. And placing any significant effort into the activities of one individual has to be a bitch when you consider (potentially) how many people are doing this... That being said, yesterday I did hear someone actually admit to buying something on itunes. A first for me - I honestly didn't think I knew anyone who did. (n.b I rip all my music from CD's purchased directly from local artists at live shows. I'm not interested particularly in music that is internationally available in most cases.) As quickly as it’s established just what the audio watermark entails, someone will find a filter or method for removing said mark.

I mean – if it’s not actually detrimental to the quality of the audio, removing it won’t destroy the audio anyway.

On a completely different level, I wonder how they’d implement ISP level filtering. Unless there was some standardised mark, surely the ISP would protest about the effort involved?

It’s hard enough for the ISP to deal with p2p traffic, particularly on some types of networks which use a neat combination of TCP and UDP packets to make it difficult to tell what the application is doing without some effort. And placing any significant effort into the activities of one individual has to be a bitch when you consider (potentially) how many people are doing this…

That being said, yesterday I did hear someone actually admit to buying something on itunes. A first for me – I honestly didn’t think I knew anyone who did.

(n.b I rip all my music from CD’s purchased directly from local artists at live shows. I’m not interested particularly in music that is internationally available in most cases.)

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