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		<title>By: The Social Media Debates: Round 3 : The Drama 2.0 Show</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-4378</link>
		<dc:creator>The Social Media Debates: Round 3 : The Drama 2.0 Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, I&#8217;ve been predicting this outcome for some time and have provided logical rationales for why social networks may never be as important to marketers as proponents [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course, I&#8217;ve been predicting this outcome for some time and have provided logical rationales for why social networks may never be as important to marketers as proponents [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Social Networks Matter Less to Marketers than You (and They) Might Think</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Networks Matter Less to Marketers than You (and They) Might Think</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] marketers in terms of driving tangible customer acquisition is, in my opinion, quite limited. A recent study revealed that social networks are not driving purchasing decisions for online shoppers and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] marketers in terms of driving tangible customer acquisition is, in my opinion, quite limited. A recent study revealed that social networks are not driving purchasing decisions for online shoppers and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Anecdotal Evidence Social Networks Aren&#8217;t Delivering for Advertisers : The Drama 2.0 Show</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>More Anecdotal Evidence Social Networks Aren&#8217;t Delivering for Advertisers : The Drama 2.0 Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but at some point, advertisers will lose interest. While I think that improvements can be made, I have pointed out a number of reasons why social networks may not be the perfect advertising platforms many believe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but at some point, advertisers will lose interest. While I think that improvements can be made, I have pointed out a number of reasons why social networks may not be the perfect advertising platforms many believe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Brings Shopping 3.0 and Just Forget Jupiter Research On This One : Hunter and Associates</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Brings Shopping 3.0 and Just Forget Jupiter Research On This One : Hunter and Associates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spreading across the Web saying that social media doesn&#8217;t help online sales, but even in the articles that propagate this meme there&#8217;s material that indicates the opposite. The E-Commerce Times [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] spreading across the Web saying that social media doesn&#8217;t help online sales, but even in the articles that propagate this meme there&#8217;s material that indicates the opposite. The E-Commerce Times [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eran</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Eran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post.

I believe that most of the problem with the social network sites is that they do not offer too much value besides vanity. For example, how many friends I have, how many comments were sent to me, etc. The dilemma is that even though you may receive word-of-mouth recommendations, more than half of the people recommending are not someone you would &#039;trust&#039;. In fact, why should you, do they actually know so much about you to the point of having proper suggestions to your purchasing habits?
I believe that the power of the people comes as was mentioned &quot;the right targeting and the right location/timing&quot;. If allowed, I will add a third...which is &quot;inherent value&quot;. We have to actually see a value proposed by the others (with the correct target and timing). It does not help me for someone of my friend&#039;s list to recommend something, that does not provide me actual value. 

Joost mentioned: &quot;it should be able to make money even as it shows you fewer ads than on TV. The ads it does show you, however, are likely to be ones that either you want to see or that some advertiser is willing to pay a lot to show you.&quot; This supposedly will give the users more value. 
May be read entirely at: http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/07/magazines/fortune/fastforward_joost.fortune/index.htm?section=money_fastforward
[I am new to blogs/comments/posts, if I am not allowed to provide outside links, please let me know. But please do not bar me from future commenting]

Thanks, 

Eran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post.</p>
<p>I believe that most of the problem with the social network sites is that they do not offer too much value besides vanity. For example, how many friends I have, how many comments were sent to me, etc. The dilemma is that even though you may receive word-of-mouth recommendations, more than half of the people recommending are not someone you would &#8216;trust&#8217;. In fact, why should you, do they actually know so much about you to the point of having proper suggestions to your purchasing habits?<br />
I believe that the power of the people comes as was mentioned &#8220;the right targeting and the right location/timing&#8221;. If allowed, I will add a third&#8230;which is &#8220;inherent value&#8221;. We have to actually see a value proposed by the others (with the correct target and timing). It does not help me for someone of my friend&#8217;s list to recommend something, that does not provide me actual value. </p>
<p>Joost mentioned: &#8220;it should be able to make money even as it shows you fewer ads than on TV. The ads it does show you, however, are likely to be ones that either you want to see or that some advertiser is willing to pay a lot to show you.&#8221; This supposedly will give the users more value.<br />
May be read entirely at: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/07/magazines/fortune/fastforward_joost.fortune/index.htm?section=money_fastforward" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/07/magazines/fortune/fastforward_joost.fortune/index.htm?section=money_fastforward</a><br />
[I am new to blogs/comments/posts, if I am not allowed to provide outside links, please let me know. But please do not bar me from future commenting]</p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>Eran</p>
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		<title>By: Jay (living in First Life)</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay (living in First Life)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drama, this is your most relevant comment:

***
That is, word-of-mouth recommendations are so effective because people are not bombarded by them on a perpetual basis. 
***

The reason standard advertising (TV, direct mail, radio, etc.) is losing its luster is that we&#039;re tired of it.  We see it all the time.  We&#039;re bombarded with marketing messages.  This is why word-of-mouth works.  Once every 3rd person is being paid to recommend something to you or sending you 100 invites to join their online social shopping network, you&#039;ll get annoyed and say &quot;F- it, I&#039;m tired of this S(#@&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drama, this is your most relevant comment:</p>
<p>***<br />
That is, word-of-mouth recommendations are so effective because people are not bombarded by them on a perpetual basis.<br />
***</p>
<p>The reason standard advertising (TV, direct mail, radio, etc.) is losing its luster is that we&#8217;re tired of it.  We see it all the time.  We&#8217;re bombarded with marketing messages.  This is why word-of-mouth works.  Once every 3rd person is being paid to recommend something to you or sending you 100 invites to join their online social shopping network, you&#8217;ll get annoyed and say &#8220;F- it, I&#8217;m tired of this S(#@&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ismail</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Ismail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points. Profiles and groups are definitely more about the brand than selling an individual product or service. And then it comes back to the problems of traditional advertising of how do you measure the success. There&#039;s the great quote I heard once about television advertising: &quot;I know that my ads are reaching half my audience, I just don&#039;t know which half&quot;.

If you have ideas on how to promote an individual item in a trackable way through social networks, that is actually reasonable and not annoying, I&#039;d be quite impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. Profiles and groups are definitely more about the brand than selling an individual product or service. And then it comes back to the problems of traditional advertising of how do you measure the success. There&#8217;s the great quote I heard once about television advertising: &#8220;I know that my ads are reaching half my audience, I just don&#8217;t know which half&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you have ideas on how to promote an individual item in a trackable way through social networks, that is actually reasonable and not annoying, I&#8217;d be quite impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Drama 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Drama 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that official groups are a step in the right direction, but they&#039;re most useful for entities looking to brand (as opposed to entities looking to sell). The biggest question, however, is how these entities will measure ROI from initiatives like this. Is ROI determined by how many people join the group, how many participate, how often they participate or the types of interactions that take place within the group? MySpace is an interesting case study. Although a &quot;profile&quot; is not technically a group, many brands have profiles on MySpace with a considerable number of &quot;friends.&quot; If your company has 50,000 friends, can you tie that to higher sales, increased brand awareness, increased customer loyalty, etc.? From what I have seen, the level of interaction on MySpace profiles and groups created for brands does not seem to indicate that these are becoming active hubs for large numbers of people. Large numbers may join, but fewer actually &quot;stay.&quot; Therefore, without something compelling to augment these groups, I think brands will find that these are less-than-ideal destinations to reach their customers and &quot;fans.&quot;

Over the long haul, advertisers will need to see tangible results that their initiatives on social networks are helping them achieve their goals, whatever they may be. Social networks need to make sure that they&#039;re invested in the success of their advertisers and can help them measure success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that official groups are a step in the right direction, but they&#8217;re most useful for entities looking to brand (as opposed to entities looking to sell). The biggest question, however, is how these entities will measure ROI from initiatives like this. Is ROI determined by how many people join the group, how many participate, how often they participate or the types of interactions that take place within the group? MySpace is an interesting case study. Although a &#8220;profile&#8221; is not technically a group, many brands have profiles on MySpace with a considerable number of &#8220;friends.&#8221; If your company has 50,000 friends, can you tie that to higher sales, increased brand awareness, increased customer loyalty, etc.? From what I have seen, the level of interaction on MySpace profiles and groups created for brands does not seem to indicate that these are becoming active hubs for large numbers of people. Large numbers may join, but fewer actually &#8220;stay.&#8221; Therefore, without something compelling to augment these groups, I think brands will find that these are less-than-ideal destinations to reach their customers and &#8220;fans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over the long haul, advertisers will need to see tangible results that their initiatives on social networks are helping them achieve their goals, whatever they may be. Social networks need to make sure that they&#8217;re invested in the success of their advertisers and can help them measure success.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ismail</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Ismail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. Though I do think it&#039;s not 100% complete. You&#039;re examining only a few forms of advertising on social networks (the &quot;traditional&quot; ones), and fail to mention the other major form of advertising. What I actually consider to be the main and most useful marketing model, that is already being widely used by many companies.

Official groups. Working in-band within the social network&#039;s platform does precisely what you&#039;re talking about with those 2 criteria. The people that come to the group are obviously the right target since they&#039;re seeking you out, and it&#039;s definitely the right time since again, they&#039;re seeking you out on their network of choice. The marketing becomes the very social interaction that the site is about.

Companies are already doing this, and I imagine its actually pretty successful for the ones that are doing it properly. As for Facebook and MySpace the way they could monetize off of it is by offering premium sponsorship. I know that Facebook has specified sponsored groups that get</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. Though I do think it&#8217;s not 100% complete. You&#8217;re examining only a few forms of advertising on social networks (the &#8220;traditional&#8221; ones), and fail to mention the other major form of advertising. What I actually consider to be the main and most useful marketing model, that is already being widely used by many companies.</p>
<p>Official groups. Working in-band within the social network&#8217;s platform does precisely what you&#8217;re talking about with those 2 criteria. The people that come to the group are obviously the right target since they&#8217;re seeking you out, and it&#8217;s definitely the right time since again, they&#8217;re seeking you out on their network of choice. The marketing becomes the very social interaction that the site is about.</p>
<p>Companies are already doing this, and I imagine its actually pretty successful for the ones that are doing it properly. As for Facebook and MySpace the way they could monetize off of it is by offering premium sponsorship. I know that Facebook has specified sponsored groups that get</p>
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		<title>By: Drama 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.drama20show.com/2007/07/06/social-networking-doesnt-influence-online-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Drama 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have much experience with print advertising, but I will note that total spending on print advertising has been declining and this coincides of course with a strong increase in Internet advertising revenues. This is probably a reflection of both advertiser dissatisfaction with the results generated by print advertising and the natural shift of some advertising dollars to the Internet.

That said, I think advertisers can&#039;t and won&#039;t look at social networks and say &quot;They may be ineffective, but it&#039;s no different than our print advertising campaigns.&quot; At some point, advertisers will need to see results, so social networks that can come up with better ways to leverage the strengths of social networking as a marketing platform will be better able to ensure the growth and success of their businesses. Right now I think most advertisers understand that a lot of consumers are using these services and they&#039;re experimenting with social network advertising, but long-term they will need to be satisfied that they&#039;re not just throwing money away. New advertising platforms get a little bit of leeway while everybody looks for effective models, but if those models can&#039;t be found, it will be problematic for the MySpace and Facebooks of the world down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much experience with print advertising, but I will note that total spending on print advertising has been declining and this coincides of course with a strong increase in Internet advertising revenues. This is probably a reflection of both advertiser dissatisfaction with the results generated by print advertising and the natural shift of some advertising dollars to the Internet.</p>
<p>That said, I think advertisers can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t look at social networks and say &#8220;They may be ineffective, but it&#8217;s no different than our print advertising campaigns.&#8221; At some point, advertisers will need to see results, so social networks that can come up with better ways to leverage the strengths of social networking as a marketing platform will be better able to ensure the growth and success of their businesses. Right now I think most advertisers understand that a lot of consumers are using these services and they&#8217;re experimenting with social network advertising, but long-term they will need to be satisfied that they&#8217;re not just throwing money away. New advertising platforms get a little bit of leeway while everybody looks for effective models, but if those models can&#8217;t be found, it will be problematic for the MySpace and Facebooks of the world down the road.</p>
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